tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1488055995426987279.post2901182207439969445..comments2023-10-18T10:36:56.359-05:00Comments on The Daily Doings of Mr Silly and Little Miss Trouble: Book Tour #8: A Handmaid's TaleCabahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08164597797727112635noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1488055995426987279.post-76020409460226535472007-12-16T18:50:00.000-05:002007-12-16T18:50:00.000-05:00Great thoughts!Great thoughts!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1488055995426987279.post-28304335924541892942007-12-14T07:07:00.000-05:002007-12-14T07:07:00.000-05:00I really liked your answer about infertility and r...I really liked your answer about infertility and religion. I too was raised Catholic - don't practice much anymore. <BR/>I've found that I now separate my God from the church. I don't believe that my God wouldn't recognize any children I may have from ART - I believe it is the church, and the men who run it, that say it is wrong. <BR/>Thanks for your thoughts.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14836457802063761425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1488055995426987279.post-63527351888699154772007-12-13T22:12:00.000-05:002007-12-13T22:12:00.000-05:00You really had a passionate response to the questi...You really had a passionate response to the question about religion. Not being a Catholic, those items don't offend me so personally, and I tend to think of them as just kind of nonsensical. But your bit about paying money to a church to baptise children they didn't think should exist really got me. <BR/><BR/>Of course, a whole lot of protestants share similar views. They just don't seem to "gel" with my ideas of what worship is all about.<BR/><BR/>BeaBeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877513815828460269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1488055995426987279.post-69123727102971649422007-12-13T12:59:00.000-05:002007-12-13T12:59:00.000-05:00I really enjoyed your honest answers! (and, thanks...I really enjoyed your honest answers! (and, thanks for posting info from the catholic site. I knew they were anti-IVF, but I had no idea it extended as far as restricting collection of the sample! Dang.)<BR/><BR/>Though envy of fertile women isn't a newsflash to us, I can say that I have experienced envy FROM fertile women. It's those women who never wanted children, but ended up with several anyway, who say crap like, "You're so lucky to have so much free time" or "I would have gone to college if I didn't have the kids," etc. There are definitely women out there who are reluctant mothers, and sometimes their terrible behavior toward their children conveys their evny for them. It's those encounters that make me think maybe I'm not appreciating my lot in life enough. True, I don't want to be infertile, but neither do I want to resent my life forever. It's frustrating to hear statements like the above, but on my more optimistic days, I agree that there really are some benefits to my infertile lifestyle.deannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05208971949811803163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1488055995426987279.post-91297835949671230462007-12-13T10:08:00.000-05:002007-12-13T10:08:00.000-05:00I too found it scary how quickly people (here in C...I too found it scary how quickly people (here in Canada too) were willing to sign away certain freedoms after 9-11, in order to feel "safer." Do we really feel any safer than we did six years ago? <BR/><BR/>Good point about resenting the insensitivity of fertiles as much or more than their fertility itself. <BR/><BR/>Re: who loves/appreciates their kids more, fertiles or infertiles -- I know several women who now have children after losses & infertility. Many of them tell me they feel incredibly guilty about complaining about sleep problems, teething, colic... after all, they wanted these kids so badly! I think we all need to cut each other some slack -- we're only human!loribethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09272814565916935113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1488055995426987279.post-41698933201438306832007-12-13T00:10:00.000-05:002007-12-13T00:10:00.000-05:00From one recovering Catholic to another, thanks fo...From one recovering Catholic to another, thanks for your comments today on my post. I feel a definite connection with your answers. This sentence really jumped out at me: "I realize that fertiles don't get pregnant to spite me, but it certainly doesn't make it any easier." Rationally I totally agree, but there are some days when emotions get the better of me. <BR/><BR/>You're a truly kind person to look out for those who are having difficulties or feel like they're on the outside looking in because we can't have children. Thank you for that continued empathy and understanding. It means a great deal.Pamela T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11474998003921896431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1488055995426987279.post-30722749459550565652007-12-12T15:28:00.000-05:002007-12-12T15:28:00.000-05:00Oooh, Samantha's point is really interesting. We ...Oooh, Samantha's point is really interesting. We define another woman as fertile. But they probably don't think of themselves as "fertile" vs. "infertile." Hmmm...<BR/><BR/>I thought your point about the timing of the book was chilling. Isn't it bizarre to think it was written prior to 9/11 et al?Lollipop Goldsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01020874415819057995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1488055995426987279.post-38835827897860284392007-12-12T15:20:00.000-05:002007-12-12T15:20:00.000-05:00I'm a sap, too :)."I think that organized religion...I'm a sap, too :).<BR/><BR/>"I think that organized religion was created out of fear and the need to create guidelines to control society. So yes, I can see how religion could lead to a ridiculously scary society like the one in the book."<BR/><BR/>I agree with you. We can see examples of this all over the globe. There's such a tribal mentality that is steeped in tradition. Anything that bucks the tradition is seen as threatening and must be eradicated.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your thoughtful analysis.Lori Lavender Luzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15394441222262940632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1488055995426987279.post-37038026810884831142007-12-12T15:16:00.000-05:002007-12-12T15:16:00.000-05:00Nice answers. I especially liked your answers on ...Nice answers. I especially liked your answers on the resentment of infertiles v. fertiles (and visa versa). Being a secondary infertile, I often feel like I am in both camps getting shunned by one (for not having MORE children) and resented by the other (for having my one). And I remember going to the stores and looking at pregnant women and wishing I was not so jealous. <BR/><BR/>I also agree with your answer about religion and children.Delennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12567889031642608101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1488055995426987279.post-25422480351824844312007-12-12T09:44:00.000-05:002007-12-12T09:44:00.000-05:00I wonder, with the fertile/infertile dichotomy, is...I wonder, with the fertile/infertile dichotomy, is there even such as group as "fertiles?" The people I know who have children don't think of themselves that way. They think of themselves as parents. Fertility was not something that ever needed to enter their routine, so they have no need to label themselves or for others to label them. It doesn't define them. I think that may be one reason why the idea of "interfiles" is so foreign. There is no counterpart for people to relate to.<BR/><BR/>While I'm not Catholic, or frankly much of anything, I can understand your reluctance to be involved with the Church, given their stance on your twins' beginnings.Samanthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02799401502134619497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1488055995426987279.post-90251780278192312452007-12-12T00:53:00.000-05:002007-12-12T00:53:00.000-05:00The Jewish religion does allow ART with the guidan...The Jewish religion does allow ART with the guidance of our Rabbi's. Just so you know any children born through ART as long as guidelines are followed are wanted and approved by God in the Jewish religion.Malky B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10989093667241082612noreply@blogger.com